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Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« on: December 17, 2012, 11:46:48 pm »

The [applaud][smite] reward system is a bit flawed.


In particular [smite] has some interesting side effects:
  • Negative reinforcement (aka [smite]) might work well for children. However, that stopped working for me well before my teens.
  • Negative reinforcement by total strangers has never influenced me at all
  • It is human nature to [smite] people for the fun of it; but only [applaud] when something is good
  • The practical joke side of [smite] is irresistible
  • [smite] can make certain personality types react in a non-community-spirited way
The irresistible nature of [smite] can be demonstrated as follows:
My current is Karma +11/-35

See if you can resist ... [smite] me ... hard not to huh?
See if you can resist ... [applaud] me ... needs more encouragement, does it not?
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2012, 12:00:03 am »
SFF have almost same Karma +16/-31 so maybe you [smite] SFF and SFF [smite]  you back. :D

I think it would be better that you can`t [smite] so often.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2012, 12:37:55 am »
Quote from: Janis "Givy" Ipatenko on December 18, 2012, 12:00:03 am
SFF have almost same Karma +16/-31 so maybe you [smite] SFF and SFF [smite]  you back. :D

I think it would be better that you can`t [smite] so often.

Thats EXACTLY whats happened Givy  ... we noticed over the last week ESH on the forum and sff's smite going up ,a quick look at the users online on the forum and what activites they are doing right at that moment and i seen "ESH is smiting member" i looked at the other 1 or 2 online each time and they were looking at threads or posting themselves so it wasnt them ... i like the smiting system when its not being abused ... i tried to get sff's rep system back up but there is only so much you can do.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2012, 12:39:39 am »
Quote from: Janis "Givy" Ipatenko on December 18, 2012, 12:00:03 am
SFF have almost same Karma +16/-31 so maybe you [smite] SFF and SFF [smite]  you back. :D

I think it would be better that you can`t [smite] so often.

yep givy, and i returned smites back based on posts i dont like, i do this to anyone just like i applaud posts i like... i have nothing against anyone... however i caught it in action by looking at the users and activities you can do this by clicking users at bottom of main forum page and i did capture screens of smiting, cueys rep was targeted also i +'d lots and someone knocked his rep down so i wanted to see how long the petty crap would go for.

i would say remove the rep system and reset rep.. and i like the rep system just dont like how it can be abused.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2012, 12:42:50 am »
also at the end of the day, i really not bothered by smites/applauds or rep system, because its the priniple it can be used as a tool in a grudge, if it was 1 rep per post once a day then yeah nice system cant be abused. hope everyones had there fun with it and can be more grown up and mature.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2012, 01:02:58 am »
You can already see how the parody will go ... ironically the same type of posts are made with or without Karma.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 04:35:47 am »
Gulp - lets hope [smite] is more information than action.
Hate to think what will happen if negative Karma actually has some real impact.
Last thing we want is a big society picking on a small society and [smite] them into oblivion.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2012, 06:48:48 am »
Easy solution - remove the smite option, leave the appluad option. People will get a feel for how helpful another player is based off of how much they are appluaded. Perhaps limit to being able to applaud a player only once a day, or week, or month, or only once ever.

edit: i personally find it amusing. i'd be interested to know who appluaded me once and who smote me once. haha. is there a way to check?
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 09:00:25 am »
Quote from: Zaelkaer "THE ALLFATHER" The Vampyre on December 18, 2012, 06:48:48 am
Easy solution - remove the smite option, leave the appluad option. People will get a feel for how helpful another player is based off of how much they are appluaded. Perhaps limit to being able to applaud a player only once a day, or week, or month, or only once ever.
Indeed, better remove it. It only makes it possible to start childish "reputation wars" and pretty soon won't actually show anything...


By the way, i have never given any reputation to SFF - not positive not negative, don't look at me if u wondering where's this all coming from :)
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2012, 04:49:46 pm »
Quote from: The "Fifth" Entity on December 18, 2012, 09:00:25 am
Quote from: Zaelkaer "THE ALLFATHER" The Vampyre on December 18, 2012, 06:48:48 am
Easy solution - remove the smite option, leave the appluad option. People will get a feel for how helpful another player is based off of how much they are appluaded. Perhaps limit to being able to applaud a player only once a day, or week, or month, or only once ever.
Indeed, better remove it. It only makes it possible to start childish "reputation wars" and pretty soon won't actually show anything...


By the way, i have never given any reputation to SFF - not positive not negative, don't look at me if u wondering where's this all coming from :)
indeed better remove it
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2012, 05:02:21 pm »
lol where will the children play if they remove the toys


i agree remove it and let the children move on to the next toys
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2012, 07:39:30 pm »
Is it so really important that you have good or bad karma on forum? :D

Maybe there are reason why someone [smite] you that much.

Why there are players who post much too and their karma don`t change much at all.

At least this toy don`t need moderator.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 09:44:14 pm »
i was a forum administrator for around 9 years and this function was never very useful to be honest. People just like to play with it and the numbers won't reflect the reality. there are much better reputation systems for smf around.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views.
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2012, 07:11:15 am »
I can't think of a single good reason to have a [smite] button at all. If a post is offensive it should be reported as such so that the mods can do what's necessary. If it's helpful you should be able to thank the person for helping. End of story.
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Re: Suggestion: remove [smite] and negative Karma from topic views. [RESOLVED]
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2013, 12:41:16 am »
Forum view changed.
Thanks once again Dedicated Logic :)
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