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Title: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on July 26, 2014, 04:01:09 am
So after logging in i realized I cannot trade/sell or give SNIs back to the person i borrowed them from. The purpose and reason i borrowed them was to chip in and get me past the first weapons so i could be maxed out on the pugio and maybe Snakebite.


I was holding off on inserting them, which in hindsight was a good move - or so i thought, as i was supposed to chip out after i gained more skills leaving me back at Snakebite or better. Since they removed chipping i would have never been able to return the skills.


So now it seems i am somehow supposed to get 25 skills past level 1 before I can return what i borrowed - seriously??


I can understand not chipping out going forward but if i have SNIs why are there restrictions to selling them - I do not remember see anything about this on forum.


So devs - is this a mistake or bug? if not can you please make SNIs trade-able  regardless of what skills a player has? Or at least let me return them to the person i got them from?
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Event "Janе" Horizon on July 26, 2014, 05:51:51 am

If you are able to trade other things then it is probably a side effect of this:
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on March 11, 2014, 08:38:03 am
...
Why we are doing this: because we are going to eliminate as much of the "pay-to-win" aspect in the game as possible. Players should NEVER buy skills or experience. It's obvious: we don't want to give too many benefits to the richest players in the game. Skills are very important and usually it takes a very long time to achieve the highest and most effective skill stages. We don't want someone to gain them all in five minutes and go on a rampage....


I would say you are stuck with the SNIs
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on July 26, 2014, 07:29:08 pm
I think this is an overly extreme position to take.


Anyone that has an SNI form before the chipping nerf should be allow to trade/sell/give away as they see fit - after all they already paid for the skills and paid to chip them out.








Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Zwarka "Zwarky" Stonehenge on July 26, 2014, 08:55:14 pm
Quote from: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on July 26, 2014, 04:01:09 am
So now it seems i am somehow supposed to get 25 skills past level 1 before I can return what i borrowed - seriously??

Looks like the Problem hasn't to do anything
with the removed chipping-out itself.

This 25 Skill past Level 1 was added long ago.

If remember correct (please don't beat if mis-
take) it was added to prevent the grab of RIC
and Newcomer Present through Multi-Account.

If now afraid you can't give back the loan SNI
before it maybe removed, try a Support Ticket
and explain the unique Situation. Or try to skill
the missed things to catch Requirements.


Greetings - Zwarky
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: dale "dalewj" ofj on July 26, 2014, 09:03:57 pm
ya get skilled so you can give them back...
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on September 06, 2014, 09:53:14 pm
So now i got all 25 skills to level 1 and there is a magical new requirement that was not explained until after the fact. I now need to get 1 skill to level 10.


This requirement is completely unrealistic with the skill system in place. Skill gain is insanely slow.


From conversations i had in game this was implemented years ago to stop the hoarding of RICs and the such. Then when you got rid of trading SNIs you added this requirement to SNIs.


You seriously need to remove that level 10 requirement- it is just not fair with such slow skill gain. Or better yet increase gains so i feel like I am accomplishing something!









Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 06, 2014, 10:38:05 pm
It was likely more to do with prevent multiple accounts than RIC.
You could only get RIC by becoming citizen by AWD.

However, there is an easy way for you to become level 10 in one skill.
Inject SNIs until this is achieved.

Tick-tock, this message (and all SNIs) will self-destruct in 3 days.
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on September 06, 2014, 10:39:25 pm
SNIs are supposed to be until year end?
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on September 06, 2014, 11:23:57 pm
this is what i was talking about so did it change?

Re: Skills trading denial (important) (https://my.afterworld.deelogic.net/survival/official-news/skills-trading-denial-(important)/msg10434/#msg10434)
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Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Paul "Cuey" Darkmane on September 06, 2014, 11:39:41 pm
Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 06, 2014, 10:38:05 pm

Tick-tock, this message (and all SNIs) will self-destruct in 3 days.

Has this been 100% Confirmed SNI are being Deleted the next VU On wednesday the 10th Sptemeber 2014 VU ? This is very important and needs answering, Anti can you confirm this or Deny it ... thank you ... Cuey
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on September 06, 2014, 11:51:54 pm
The only thing I can remember seeing about this is what MachineLife quoted, which means we should have at least another six months.

As far as Jane's suggestion,
Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 06, 2014, 10:38:05 pm
However, there is an easy way for you to become level 10 in one skill.
Inject SNIs until this is achieved.
Well, Jane obviously missed (and/or forgot) that one of the requirements to use any SNI is to have one skill at Stage 10 in the first place.
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 06, 2014, 11:56:07 pm

Quote from: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on September 06, 2014, 10:39:25 pm
SNIs are supposed to be until year end?
Quote from: Paul "Cuey" Darkmane on September 06, 2014, 11:39:41 pm
Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 06, 2014, 10:38:05 pm


Tick-tock, this message (and all SNIs) will self-destruct in 3 days.


Has this been 100% Confirmed SNI are being Deleted the next VU On wednesday the 10th Sptemeber 2014 VU ? This is very important and needs answering, Anti can you confirm this or Deny it ... thank you ... Cuey


Oops {blush} forgot that. Thanks both of you :)

You have plenty of time to get a skill to level 10. And hopefully that will be made as easy as it was in AWA.


Quote from: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on September 06, 2014, 11:51:54 pm
The only thing I can remember seeing about this is what MachineLife quoted, which means we should have at least another six months.As far as Jane's suggestion,
Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 06, 2014, 10:38:05 pm
However, there is an easy way for you to become level 10 in one skill.Inject SNIs until this is achieved.
Well, Jane obviously missed (and/or forgot) that one of the requirements to use any SNI is to have one skill at Stage 10 in the first place.



 :o  I didn't know that one  :o
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on September 07, 2014, 02:46:03 am
It's a newer change, but it's been around for at least a year, IIRC. MachineLife even mentioned that this is the new hurdle that has both frustrated and stalled him about the game.

@MachineLife, all I can suggest is to wait another four days for the big Sept. 10 update. If you've not read the entire thread yet, many of the changes are geared toward making the lives of new players many times easier. I'm anxious to see what those changes are and it as though you enjoy AW enough to continue to struggle with the SNI rules, so I think you're probably even more anxious than I am about it! 8-)
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Zwarka "Zwarky" Stonehenge on September 07, 2014, 05:42:40 pm
Quote from: My "MachineLife" MachineLife on September 06, 2014, 09:53:14 pm
[...] there is a magical new requirement that was not explained [...]


Not as magical as it look. Since 2010 on Wiki
http://wiki.afterworld.ru/index.php?title=SNI (http://wiki.afterworld.ru/index.php?title=SNI)



Greetings - Zwarky
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Mydro "Bongwater" Hydro on September 09, 2014, 02:29:26 am
If you have not fixed your problem machine life. talk to me ingame and i can tell you how to trade the sni. its easy just pm me i explain. dont need those level of blah blah pm me m8
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: The "Fifth" Entity on September 09, 2014, 05:52:34 am
Requirements to get 25 skills to lvl 1 and 1 skill to lvl 10 were added all at the same time. Some clever guys started to make hundreds of alts and it had to be stopped.
I have never seen the warning message but i doubt it doesn't say exactly that - 25 x 1 and 1 x 10.






About the gains and sense of achievement, should the game constantly pat on your shoulder and say "Oh your so wonderful"?
While actually all you did was 2 clicks with a mouse that anyone can do? What's this achievement worth, do u even remember it after 5 min?
It's not some mainstream WoW-style MMO where u can rush up to lvl 50 in a few days... and i'm glad that it isn't.
This is a completely different philosophy here, a virtual world that lasts for years.
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on September 09, 2014, 02:49:15 pm
As am I; the pursuit of ever higher skill levels is what has kept those of us here that have never left. Without those skill goals I don't know that any of us would still be playing so often.
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: kittykali "godslayer" deathslayer on September 10, 2014, 02:39:49 am
about those 25x1 and 1 skill to 10. if you don't know , is not like you have to train to 10/10, only to unlock lvl 10. you can have 1/10 and still can trade.
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Event "Janе" Horizon on September 10, 2014, 03:19:48 am
Quote from: kittykali "godslayer" deathslayer on September 10, 2014, 02:39:49 am
about those 25x1 and 1 skill to 10. if you don't know , is not like you have to train to 10/10, only to unlock lvl 10. you can have 1/10 and still can trade.
Good post!
Title: Re: Cannot Return Borrowed SNIs???
Post by: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on September 10, 2014, 07:12:29 pm
That's a good point to know and makes a very large difference!