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Bolotoid boss question
« on: April 14, 2014, 02:16:02 pm »
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Many of you have sent me files with mobs toughness. After compilation, I've got more or less reliable opinions, except for one creature: Bolotoid boss. Everyone marked him as a very tough, average 3 kills per hour. At the same time, Mrazoid boss appeared to be a lot less tough: 17 kills per hour. So do you really think that Bolotoid is so strong and if he is so strong - why? What makes Mrazoid weaker?
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2014, 03:28:34 pm »
the bugor as we used to call him aw does verry high dmg 170 dmg wich is insanely high especialy if you see the dmg off a overseer around 30.
I am surprised that people can even kill 3 off them must be with verry high armour then.
guys correct me if i am wrong but i have not ran into mrazoid bugor yet? are they out there?
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2014, 05:01:24 pm »
i don't remember seeing one around.

SO even the top players find that bugor tough hehe.  It may be a bit unbalanced compared to the lesser bolotoids. For me seeing the bugor is a death sentence heh
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2014, 07:25:53 pm »
Mrazoid Bugors are at Turukhansk.
(I die from one hit)  :)
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2014, 07:26:24 pm »
Quote from: Rebel Leader "Madseend" Troubles on April 14, 2014, 03:28:34 pm
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guys correct me if i am wrong but i have not ran into mrazoid bugor yet? are they out there?

Yes, Mrazoid bugors are out there. One usually hangs around Turunansk out-post shortly off the pad area. I came across one when hunting deminers one day and went too far east.

@Anti, yes Bolotoid bugor "Boss" is much stronger. I don't know why he is 'death waiting to happen' but I avoid him at all cost. If this "Boss" can keep away the higher level players from tangoing with him, then I know not to.
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2014, 08:05:15 pm »
in my list I marked the mobs as i wish to be not how they r now, maybe this enlighten a bit
but if we start this discussion, I hope I manage to make a video about those 2 big bois, and post it here,
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2014, 08:37:58 pm »
ah yes my bad i remember them :D

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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2014, 09:35:06 pm »
Quote from: Old "Snowy" Leopard on April 14, 2014, 07:25:53 pm
Mrazoid Bugors are at Turukhansk.
(I die from one hit)  :)

oh yeah. how could i forget that one! it killed me enoumerous times....
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2014, 01:10:12 am »
I died 3 times in tururk from mraz bugor. was obliged to run 2 to turret to be able to escape the area :p
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2014, 05:30:04 am »
If you haven't yet seen the Bolotoid Bugor in-game yet Anti, you should do so and you'll have your answer right away.

All maturity levels of Bolotoid and Mrazoid have what I consider to be low HP and damage levels except for the Bolotoid Bugor, which has very high HP and does as much damage as some of the largest bots and most difficult mutants and animals in the game. All levels of Bolotoid and Mrazoid have what I consider to be a medium attack/aggression range except for the Bolotoid Bugor, which has an attack/aggression range almost as big as the radar - if you see its dot on your radar and don't realize that it is a BB you'll be attacked and dead before you really realize it. All levels of Bolotoid and Mrazoid are of roughly the same size, with each higher level being slightly larger than the last except for the Bolotoid Bugor, which is larger than an Outpost building!

The BB is so legendarily large and powerful that when I saw my first Foulito Bugor I was sure I was going to be dead soon even though it wasn't huge like the BB. I still went in for the attack anyway and found out that it wasn't ridiculously more difficult than the other Foulito maturites, unlike the BB.
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2014, 07:13:01 am »
Quote from: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on April 15, 2014, 05:30:04 am
If you haven't yet seen the Bolotoid Bugor in-game yet Anti, you should do so and you'll have your answer right away.

All maturity levels of Bolotoid and Mrazoid have what I consider to be low HP and damage levels except for the Bolotoid Bugor, which has very high HP and does as much damage as some of the largest bots and most difficult mutants and animals in the game. All levels of Bolotoid and Mrazoid have what I consider to be a medium attack/aggression range except for the Bolotoid Bugor, which has an attack/aggression range almost as big as the radar - if you see its dot on your radar and don't realize that it is a BB you'll be attacked and dead before you really realize it. All levels of Bolotoid and Mrazoid are of roughly the same size, with each higher level being slightly larger than the last except for the Bolotoid Bugor, which is larger than an Outpost building!

The BB is so legendarily large and powerful that when I saw my first Foulito Bugor I was sure I was going to be dead soon even though it wasn't huge like the BB. I still went in for the attack anyway and found out that it wasn't ridiculously more difficult than the other Foulito maturites, unlike the BB.
Totally agree with Brick,this sums up Bolotoid Bugors .. gl
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2014, 09:19:47 am »
I've seen all the monsters (including those that are aready now and waiting for us to add them into the game). But I have infinite power and able to kill anyone. I've been curious why players are thinkig that Mrazoid boss is six times easier than Bolotoid boss.
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2014, 09:51:04 am »
Low level player's can't adequately evaluate high level mobs, just like higher level players can't evaluate low lvl mobs.

With Bugor, i think the whole idea was to make everyone equal when they meet this unique mob, beginners and ubers alike. We had to get past Bugor to travel to the zones behind it. Bugor was so obviously and hopelessly overpowered that it forced us to think out of box, invent tactical solutions and use teamwork. This was lot of fun... But it doesn't work that way any more. Nowadays ppl have skills and gear that make even Bugor just another big mob. Boring!
So, maybe it's time to fix Bugor, make it unbeatable again. ;)

(Don't get me wrong, i don't mean all higher level mobs should be made more powerful, just one extreme example in game would be enough.)
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2014, 11:31:59 am »
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on April 15, 2014, 09:19:47 am
I've seen all the monsters (including those that are aready now and waiting for us to add them into the game). But I have infinite power and able to kill anyone. I've been curious why players are thinkig that Mrazoid boss is six times easier than Bolotoid boss.
Ummm .. since you are able to see that actual attributes of both Mrazoid and Bolotoid, are you saying that the difference is not apparent from the developer internal view?
If the players experience and the developers expectations differ there may be a something 'buggy' about the implementation of the Bolotoid(?).
One way to test this is to create an avatar, copy the current attributes of a player and see if these give the correct damage / survival to the two creatures. In god mode, you can resurrect yourself and teleport yourself to the creatures in question.
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Re: Bolotoid boss question
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2014, 11:49:45 am »
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on April 15, 2014, 09:19:47 am
I've seen all the monsters (including those that are aready now and waiting for us to add them into the game). But I have infinite power and able to kill anyone. I've been curious why players are thinkig that Mrazoid boss is six times easier than Bolotoid boss.

maybe since it seems most people don't know of the mraz bugor, maybe the comparison you are seeing is actually the next mraz down?
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