AfterWorld Survival Forum

This is not an RCE game. As i understand it, we have decided not to go there (in any foreseeable future) either.
Then why so modest? Anything that's not to big enough (and is not happening often enough) to break down the market should be OK.

Make it a 100 kg claim, 50 CD's, so much hunting loot you are overloaded and can hardly walk.
And ofc announce it to everybody in the whole game!

Basically just give us some Globals like Entropia ! (psssst, it will get us hooked;)

We just have to wait until the big VU comes so we can see what has been wiped and how resources will be given under the new rules. And maybe they already plan to create large find/loot globals in this update but they just haven't mentioned it yet. At least, that's what I sure hope they will be doing...

The idea that RCE needs to be either zero-sum or (like EU) an overall positive for DL does need to be taken into account since Anti has said that they do plan to implement full RCE at some point. He's also indicated that they don't want to have to do another partial resource wipe like the one that's coming, so they won't give big drops in the meantime since that 1) would end up wiping some of what we get and 2) could mean they have to look at the collective resource total all over again.

It is not as if we are playing a friendly game of poker in a friend's house (total money in players pockets at any point in time = money brought in) -> zero sum game.
It is more like a casino, total money in players pockets < money brought in as the House always makes a profit.

1st you ask "What?" and then you say exactly the same as i just said:

As much $$$ as goes into game can come out too (minus a certain fee).

Why? Reading comprehension much?

Except in Survival there is no gambling side.

First, it's quite hard to imagine any real gambling in a casino where you can never have what you won. You can collect a pile of cash and then look at it, through the bulletproof glass.
Second, Survival already has an element of luck. SAU globals, remember?
The question OP has raised is if we could increase the luck factor?

It is almost self-deterministic, which is why Anti had to change the game - the self-deterministic side was that DL would be bankrupt.

Long sentence on Chinese, the famous Jane dialect. There is no other people in the world who can read this dialect. There's been countless attempts to decipher those mysterious messages, they have all failed. We will not try it again.


Compare next two quotes. Both say the same. Which one is shorter? 

As much $$$ as goes into game can come out too (minus a certain fee).

So players will never see the zero sum side as the sum is (money in) - (game fees) - (operation costs) - (owners profit) - (asset capital) = (money available for withdrawal).
The result is (money available for withdrawal) << (money in).

Unless you are running a Ponzi scheme.
Which DL is not.
Hopefully.

Green stuff ftw!!! 

Casinos do not run as a zero sum game.
zero sum game applies to closed systems.
Survival is not a closed system.

Ooh, i think i finally understand what causes all that confusion you seem have with understanding RCE concept.
I can try to explain, althou i will be annihilated in the end. But it doesn't matter, let's take it easy like a good mind game.

Unlike real life economic systems, virtual economies don't produce any real added value inside the system.
Instead, just like any closed system, they are consuming resources to keep the system running.

Taking the above into account, we can view it as a closed system and apply the laws of thermodynamics:

• In any closed system, you cannot create new energy (first law of thermodynamics)
• You always lose a little energy (second law of thermodynamics)
• Therefore a machine cannot make more energy than it uses or even enough to keep itself operating.

(Notice, in the closed virtual model of the Universe, the Entropy is always slowly increasing... )


Next step. We will now simplify our model and remove the maintenance fees from the equation.

If we now look at it we will discover it has turned into a classical zero sum game - as much as goes in, comes out.
From our standpoint it is unimportant what exactly goes on inside the system. The resources might change hands inside there, or they might not. From our standpoint (looking at the system from the outside) any transactions inside there are absolutely irrelevant because the total input is still exactly equal to the total output.


Notice, RCE operates like Outer Shell. For RCE it's irrelevant what principle is used by the Inner System to redistribute resources between players. Maybe it's based on luck ("Casino"), or time and effort ("Slave labor") or maybe there is no redistribution at all. The only publicly known RCE is largely based on luck, therefore ppl think RCE = Casino, but this is only a coincidence, two separate facts that have no casual connection.


Now, coming back to the topic - Survival is indeed not a closed system. Total input is 100%, total output is 0%. Those values are not equal and there's no need to worry about balance inside the system. This setup gives us a lot of freedom - we can create new resources out of the thin air and inject them into system. Unless we oversupply the system by a magnitude, nothing happens. I mean, there's no need to carefully count every penny 'cause the next moment ppl might want to convert all these resources into real money and withdraw it from the system.