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Selling skills from hunting. Take a look ingame in sar at storage.

Ty Cuey.

AW still loses. If Player B buys Player A's AWD instead of buying from Dedicated Logic, then Dedicated Logic gets $0 extra income from the transaction.

Example:
At sometime in past Player A donates US$103.40 for the 100AWD (AW uses PayPal for deposits so there is a 3.4% transaction fee).
AW total income = US$100.

Player B wants 100 AWD.
Option 1:
Player A donates US$103.40 for the 100AWD.
AW total income = US$200.

Option 2:
Player B buys Player A's AWD
AW total income = US$100.

So AW loses US$100 income from Option 2 compared to Option 1.

I hope AW is not expects with donation as incom. First we need to craft somthing with the AWD in the game, the craftcost is the real incom

are us tupid or what? ofcourse donation is income... What ever u do with awd after that no one gives much s**t

It isn't quite as black and white as people are looking at it, both views are partially correct.
USD$ isn't necessarily income, it is what is done with the USD$ converted to AWD.
Donations are donations, correct, but it has been stated withdrawal will be available in the future.
Ignore that Withdrawal is stated to be allowed in the future, and pretend that it hasn't. Then what Jane says is totally correct.
But if you look at Withdrawal becoming available then Punkt's point of view becomes quite valid.
Without potential withdrawal, all money in is income, as no money can leave the game, 100% of donation is in the Devs bank, permanently.
With Withdrawal $US100 is converted to AWD, which is then shaved on most activities, whether it be depositing, crafting , hunting, mining, auctioning etc.
It is all shaving, or rake, and all activities in general slowly use a tiny percentage of a product or service , armor wears out, weapons wear out, buying on auction has fees, terminals for crafting has fees, and so it goes on, some shaving, or rake, all over the place.
This is how DL makes money, the AWD you deposit is available, potentially, for withdrawal, so $100 in, is most definitely not income, it is basically in a Trust unless it is worn away to zero before withdrawal.
If a player chooses they could deposit $US100, receive 1000awd-deposit fees, we'll say 970awd for this example, they might do nothing with it, and a month later withdraw the 970AWD, which after fees, which is an unknown amount currently, might equal 900awd.
So $US100 is not income, it is in a trust, and from Devs point of view, it will hopefully be used over and over till it is shaved done to nothing. Of course this doesn't mean the depositor ends up with nothing as their activities will most likely have rewarded them, and when you understand this view you start to understand the balance of the RCE model, and how the game developer is looking for an overall percentage return from all money deposited. For example, a betting agency that is licenced might look for a 15-20% return, and Poker sites work on Rake, it is all the same, the aim is to get a sustainable income that generates profit.

Janes view is not technically correct unless the game never goes RCE, and Punkts view is valid, he's just expecting that the game is RCE now.
The game is in a limbo at the moment, and until further statements and advancements in the game are made it will remain in limbo, which unfortunately in its current state of development put the game into a functionality which leads Janes perspective to be the the closest thing to a working reality right now.
Take into account, the working reality we have now is expected to change.

So I don't think anyone is actually wrong, and I don't think anyone is stupid, it is just the perspectives people are using based on how the game is now, and how the game has stated it will be.

I could be wrong, but I am expecting Anti or other Devs to clarify the RCE model sometime between now and March.

Zen

Hi Zenx,

"This is how DL makes money, the AWD you deposit is available, potentially, for withdrawal, so $100 in, is most definitely not income, it is basically in a Trust unless it is worn away to zero before withdrawal" is the incorrect concept.

Dedicated Logic are a limited liability company and are required to pay corporate tax. The donations are not held in trust for the benefit of the players, the donations are held in corporate accounts for the benefit of the Dedicated Logic shareholders.

In a RCE scenario - players are lower ranked than unsecured creditors.

Jane

Or they could implement an exchange rate that reflects the funds that they choose to 'put aside for players'.

Not everyone will grasp the full concept of RCE.
The base concepts are in the post from earlier today, if you grasp it great, if you don't, I cant do much about that 
But there's little point in reiteration.

Zen

ps, I like the word Fifth