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« on: December 16, 2013, 05:58:25 pm »
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Re: (Get Money For Christmas!) Reverse Auction!
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 09:18:06 pm »
Guys, just want to remind you - money deals outside of the game are not allowed due to it's destructive impact to the game economy (and our newborn company). So please keep your business inside of the game universe, it's not a big problem for you and one more motivation for us to make our work good. Thanks!
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Re: (Get Money For Christmas!) Reverse Auction!
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 09:30:59 pm »
Oh i thought it was allowed, My bad.. will delete post now.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2013, 12:03:33 am »
My personal opinion:

I didn't think that this game was an Investment Vehicle.

I thought that donating precluded the individual donating getting money back from their donation.

Unless Russian Tax Law is unique - there is also a huge difference to the Inland Revenue view of money 'donated' to an organisation and money 'invested' in an organisation.
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Re: (Get Money For Christmas!) Reverse Auction!
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 12:51:04 am »
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on December 16, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Guys, just want to remind you - money deals outside of the game are not allowed due to it's destructive impact to the game economy (and our newborn company). So please keep your business inside of the game universe, it's not a big problem for you and one more motivation for us to make our work good. Thanks!

You might want to inform how this previously allowed trading will be replaced with in game mechanism, and you might want to explain how it has had a destructive impact on the economy.
Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 01:41:52 am »
Quote from: Zaelkaer "Allfather" Vampyre on December 17, 2013, 01:04:58 am
I understand your point, and your technicallity with the words used, but the reason it is called a donation and not a deposit is because there is no withrawal system.

I believe that is an assumption ... the assumption being that the game was always intended to be an Investment Vehicle for players.

My assumption is that Dedicated Logic consulted lawyers/tax accountants and were advised that a Donation model reduced their taxable liabilities and responsibilities. i.e. any monies are legally donated under the Russian Tax Laws.

Under the same assumption, Dedicated Logic cannot be seen to encourage nor aid the use of the game as an Investment Vehicle as these activities risk nullifying the Donation status of any money given in the past.

This does not preclude Dedicated Logic from changing their status from a game funded by donations to one where you can trade Real Life money for virtual items. However, I doubt if donated money will be allowed to be ever withdrawn as this would result in an legal challenge to status of any monies donated (resulting in taxes and penalties).
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 05:30:03 am »
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on December 16, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Guys, just want to remind you - money deals outside of the game are not allowed due to it's destructive impact to the game economy (and our newborn company). So please keep your business inside of the game universe, it's not a big problem for you and one more motivation for us to make our work good. Thanks!
Can this be added to the Participation Agreement post so that nobody is surprised by it? After all, players have been doing trades outside of the game for years and this is the first official word I've seen about it in many years, if not ever.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 08:25:23 pm »
Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on December 17, 2013, 12:03:33 am
My personal opinion:

I didn't think that this game was an Investment Vehicle.

I thought that donating precluded the individual donating getting money back from their donation.

Unless Russian Tax Law is unique - there is also a huge difference to the Inland Revenue view of money 'donated' to an organisation and money 'invested' in an organisation.


Donation for goods is not allowed by our laws. We are beginning to operate in a legal way, so we will pay taxes from everything and it won't be donations anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 08:28:37 pm »
Quote from: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on December 17, 2013, 05:30:03 am
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on December 16, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Guys, just want to remind you - money deals outside of the game are not allowed due to it's destructive impact to the game economy (and our newborn company). So please keep your business inside of the game universe, it's not a big problem for you and one more motivation for us to make our work good. Thanks!
Can this be added to the Participation Agreement post so that nobody is surprised by it? After all, players have been doing trades outside of the game for years and this is the first official word I've seen about it in many years, if not ever.


There will be a big update when we will finish our papers and official financial model. It will not impact prices or anything else - it's completely our thing that we will deal on our side.
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Re: (Get Money For Christmas!) Reverse Auction!
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 08:32:22 pm »
Quote from: Zen "ZenX" Star on December 17, 2013, 12:51:04 am
Quote from: Anti "Ether" Danilevski on December 16, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Guys, just want to remind you - money deals outside of the game are not allowed due to it's destructive impact to the game economy (and our newborn company). So please keep your business inside of the game universe, it's not a big problem for you and one more motivation for us to make our work good. Thanks!

You might want to inform how this previously allowed trading will be replaced with in game mechanism, and you might want to explain how it has had a destructive impact on the economy.
Thanks.

Zen


Trading IS allowed and will be allowed, of course. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.


All that I want to ask you - to keep transactions inside the game, don't transfer money outside (pay via paypal directly, or meet and pass the money, or via other way). Because AWD creates our game economy; if you do payments outside of the game, and simply giving items (or something else) in the game, it harms the game economy: less AWD in game, less money in game, less services, investments in game, less trading, crafting and etc.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2013, 09:20:02 pm »
Thanks for your responses, it's always good to have as much detail about things as you're able to share!
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 11:31:02 pm »
Thanks for replying Anti .

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2013, 11:48:53 pm »
Sounds like AW will be seeing a lot of work in this next year, thanks for the response
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