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I don't know any other team who would be so persitant and devoted to their work. And I don't know any other team that would have to earn money somewhere else, but wait for the oportunity to return and to finish their job.

Well when its all sorted and working great ... remember the testers who were also persistent,who spent their time and their money in donations even as far back as 2006 when they took a leap of faith and stuck around and stayed true to Afterworld  ... a handful of us are still active today seven years later and love the game just the same as we always have even when there has been serious doubt about Afterworlds future there has always been a core group of testers that have always stuck with the game and stayed Loyal ... dont forget us ... gl

Wonderful post Anti.
I have always believed that the Dedicated Logic team had named themselves well ...  dedicated beyond what is considered normal.
It has been very painful reading posts from players that have not thought through what anguish the DL team must have been through over the years.
It is great to have someone close to the DL team point out that the DL team have spent much, much more time, effort, blood, sweat and tears on this game than any of us players/testers ever have spent in/on the game.

A little reality check, none of us actually know what DL did with money.
I'm not suggesting they did good things or bad things with the money, and to be honest I care little.
But the fact is we don't know where money went, and if Anti wasn't there, in all likelihood he would only be aware of the accountants version of a money trail.
DL knows if the spent the money wisely, we do not know, and in all practicality we never will know.
As I say, I don't care what they did, I just thought I would correct the reality before history gets written   
 
Zen

Vik told us what the income was in the last year,

Quote from: viktorius "vik" vik on May 17, 2013, 05:43:31 PM<blockquote>
May                 2012 - 1675 $

June               2012 - 1493 $

July                 2012 - 1172 $

August          2012 - 2246 $

September  2012 - 1338 $

October         2012 - 1835 $

November    2012 - 2693 $

December     2012 - 5301 $ (Christmas promotion)

January         2013 - 8814 $ (Christmas promotion)

February       2013 - 669 $

March               2013 - 500 $ 

April               2013 - 544 $     

</blockquote>
= 28,280 USD

- 300 A Month for server costs - 3,600 $ (2,373.50) = 24,680$ a year.

Someone asked the devs :

What about 2006 -2007?  2008 -2009?  2010-2011?

I assure you nothing was wasted and every single cent went to production. Also, Vik had a bus that he had to sell to save the game, and it helped a lot - they managed to begin earning money. But alas, during the time when they have to change the game engine, Vik didn't have another bus. They invested everything they had to the game, and I'm working for free now, because I know their situation. Furthermore, I think that next couple of years they won't earn anything at all, beside (very low, btw) payment for their work.

Found it very cool they shared these numbers as it is donated money.
Was aware about the bus Vik had sold in order to keep the game alive besides them-self and respect for that.

Everyone needs a place to live and work and has to eat at least one time at a daily base so i have no complaints.
Good luck with the development and hope Vik can buy a nice bus in some year from now again.

Seeing Russia road-rage movies on you-tube a good bus is no unnecessary luxury. 

Hi Anti, if you were there for the last 7 or so years and saw the money come in and go out, then I will take your word for it.
If you weren't there, then none of us really know.
Whether someone sells a bus, or works for free in the future sheds no light on where money has been previously spent.
As I mentioned, personally I don't care what happened with any monies, its not my business, all I care about is that history is based on facts, not what we would like written.
 
Zen

Yes Anti, I mentioned in a previous post that I suspected you would have seen an accountants version, as due diligence would demand it, but as we all know, there's books, and there's books    but of course I am sure in Dedicated's case there was only one book 
Anyway, my comments are only philosophical, they could do what they want with their money, it became theirs when we donated it.
I do appreciate times can be tough, and I hope that yourself and Dedicated Logic have great success, make a great game, and everyone wins, and lives happily ever after.
 
You'll have to forgive me, when I see statements that are opinions, put forward as facts, I tend to interact , its a bad habit I have 
 
Zen

In my humble opinion...

There has been NO indication that DL have ever been anything but straight-up with us.
To continue to insinuate that they are something dishonest is rumor-mongering and disrespectful.

In real life, if you do not trust what an organisation which you freely donated (yes that is right, donated, not invested) money - why on earth would you continue to volunteer to help the organisation?

In real life, donations do not give you control of an organisation; nor do you have the right to demand to see their accounts.

Not jumping to conclusions is a great way to start - and continue - a civil conversation. To that point I'll say that I don't see anything that says "ZenX thinks they wasted the money!" All I see is player opinions similar to your own, with similar neutrality. Just as you were commenting about past accusations, I read dale's and Jane's posts as comments on past accusations as well and I hope you see why.

I think all of the players in this conversation know who the biggest accusers of inappropriate money usage were and I believe we're all happy that most of them have left, at least temporarily. With this renewed vigor and determination to complete AfterWorld in Torque3D I have hope that people will come back and give it another chance. I've been closely following Star Citizen's crowdfunding efforts and have seen plenty of proof that people around the world are quite willing to donate to the cause of a well-designed, interesting, and unique game. Without their big names I doubt AWR will see anywhere near the $25M+ total donations in just over a year's time but with the right communication methods and community interaction I don't doubt that it can easily be fully funded by crowdfunding alone.

Anti, thank you for providing even more details about the financial situation the AW Team has been laboring under. With a little research I came to a similar monthly cost estimate and also found it astonishing that anything was getting done, let alone a major upgrade. There will be those that don't believe anything that disagrees with their own opinions but hopefully they really have quit for good since it's a waste of everyone's time to keep beating a dead horse. I haven't seen most of them in quite a while, luckily, but they may come back too. Don't let the naysayers troll you into a heated discussion that we be as productive as trying to tear down a brick wall by blowing through a straw - I've been sucked into a few of those myself over the years and it's taken me a while to figure out how to ignore the trolls and haters.