Author Topic: Question about Geology skill (Read 3923 times)

Andrei "Andrei" Popov · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2013, 09:07:26 am »

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About the sau, it's true a few months back i bought a few chips that caused me to be have several blocked skills in my medic profession. So, what did i do.. I had taken my careful time to get hka5 to 100% sau rate, figured oh i would chip out again when it was at 90% (just wanted sau from the hk, not interested in the hk skills so much anymore) and then viwala.. with 100% sau rate, i was making 1-2 sau per use.. i knew something was wrong, so i asked the devs about it in a helpdesk ticket and they explained to me what no one else ever told me haha. after having the skills unblocked i made between 4-6 sau each use and often enough, more than that.

It's well known information, that's why devs helped Zaelkaer. It doesn't mean they will explain the skill and profeccion system of AWS. This huge work is doing by several old players. Thx them a lot!

Bold "Bertram" Blanshard · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2013, 10:30:01 am »

Quote from: Andrei "Andrei" Popov on May 17, 2013, 08:58:32 am

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I put in a Helpdesk ticket about the skills just after the last update, which has had no response for 2 months.

It's secret information, players need tp explore AWS world theirselves.

My Helpdesk ticket was not to ask about secret information, it was to ask why the skills gained had changed from what everyone agrees happened in Alpha, and to point this out in case it is a bug.

The "Fifth" Entity · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2013, 11:24:11 am »

Quote from: Bold "Bertram" Blanshard on May 17, 2013, 08:39:04 am

The UGM Professions are certainly screwed up. In-game, and on Wiki, there is only one, whereas Jane deduced in Alpha that there are separate ones for Metal and Mineral.

Er... to clear up a little misunderstanding - there is no profession in-game for UG mining. What you are looking at must be a profession for above ground mining (picking) or gathering resources from plants/trees. No doubt the UG mining profession itself has to exist in the skillsystem, because scanners have no problem measuring your current effectiveness in UG mining. So, it's a hidden profession. Two hidden professions actually - a separate one for metals and minerals because your effectiveness on mineral scanner and metal scanner can be quite different.

That part is pretty simple and straightforward, the actual skill weights is where it gets a bit more complicated. It's possible that Jane might be wrong, or maybe she's the only one who got it right - we won't know it for sure until we know a little more about how she arrived to these conclusions.

Bold "Bertram" Blanshard · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2013, 12:16:43 pm »

Quote from: The "Fifth" Entity on May 17, 2013, 11:24:11 am

Quote from: Bold "Bertram" Blanshard on May 17, 2013, 08:39:04 am
The UGM Professions are certainly screwed up. In-game, and on Wiki, there is only one, whereas Jane deduced in Alpha that there are separate ones for Metal and Mineral.
Er... to clear up a little misunderstanding - there is no profession in-game for UG mining. What you are looking at must be a profession for above ground mining (picking) or gathering resources from plants/trees. No doubt the UG mining profession itself has to exist in the skillsystem, because scanners have no problem measuring your current effectiveness in UG mining. So, it's a hidden profession. Two hidden professions actually - a separate one for metals and minerals because your effectiveness on mineral scanner and metal scanner can be quite different.

I did already know all your points. As you say, the profession of Natural Resources Hunter as listed in Zwarky's thread contradicts Jane's guide, so the design was already confused in Alpha. I suggest this has been aggravated by a new bug in AWS, that the metal/mineral skills have been omitted from UGM, effectively collapsing the two hidden professions into one. So describing how the system worked in Alpha is pointless, because firstly it seems to not work that way now, and secondly it needs to be redesigned anyway. Where are the developers?

The "Fifth" Entity · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2013, 02:01:22 pm »

Bertram, take my word for it, u still only barely scraching the surface of what there is to know and understand.
Also, you did not know my points before, and you still haven't understood em...

Developers are where they have to be - working with the code, engine optimization, 3D models... stuff like that.
Like Andrei already pointed out, it's NOT their job to explain to every player how exactly the skillsystem works. You don't have to know it to play the game.

What about metals science and minerals science, afaik those were never gained while using UG scanners. Nothing has broken down or collapsed anywhere...
Well, i'm not a miner myself thou, i would certainly appreciate if some high level miner would take a look at their skill log and comment on that.

Scotsman "Robber" Ginger · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2013, 02:49:49 pm »

it's NOT their job to explain to every player how exactly the skillsystem works!!

easy ok

Bold "Bertram" Blanshard · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2013, 04:52:46 pm »

Quote from: The "Fifth" Entity on May 17, 2013, 02:01:22 pm

Bertram, take my word for it, u still only barely scraching the surface of what there is to know and understand.
Also, you did not know my points before, and you still haven't understood em...

If you understand things so well, please explain why Natural Resources Hunter exists, when Jane says it has no effect, and why two professions exist which do have an effect, but are hidden.
You sound like Candide, everything is for the best, even when it is nonsense.

Old "Snowy" Leopard · « **Reply #22 on:** May 17, 2013, 08:06:32 pm »

Eeeeuuww

Zwarka "Zwarky" Stonehenge · « **Reply #23 on:** May 17, 2013, 11:08:04 pm »

Quote from: Bold "Bertram" Blanshard on May 17, 2013, 04:52:46 pm

If you understand things so well, please explain why Natural Resources Hunter exists, when Jane says it has no effect, and why two professions exist which do have an effect, but are hidden.

MOSK and MiSca can show different Skill-Rate,
on that Reason it can't be the NRH Profession
even if it get's near to the "right" result.

Greetings - Zwarky

Gebeleizis "Hultaan" Kapnobatai · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2013, 11:17:11 pm »

...umm yeah..
the only thing that shows MISCA different from MOSK is the separate skills .Pyrotechnics, and Blastechnics ,each one is for one scanner and r not both for both, if anyone can opserve the skill stages they can see a difference in them, diferent grow, so... different SR
cheers

Event "Janе" Horizon · « **Reply #25 on:** May 18, 2013, 09:55:40 am »

My apologies for not jumping in sooner.
I had to try to find my original data (spread between two laptops, a PC and a few external drives) ... which contradicts what I have posted on the JAWS website.

It appears I have cross-referenced the wrong skills at some point.

The UG Metal skills list should have this:

Accurate Eye

Attention

Chance

Concentration

Data Analysis

Electronics

Focus

General Tools

Geological Prospecting

Information

Intellect

Interface

Knowledge

Landscape Comprehension

Logic

Luck

Materials Science

Materials Technology

Nature

Pyrotechnics

Response

Scanning practice

Science

Terrain Orientation

And the UG Minerals should have this:

Accurate Eye

Attention

Blasttechnics

Chance

Concentration

Data Analysis

Electronics

Focus

General Tools

Geological Prospecting

Information

Intellect

Interface

Knowledge

Landscape Comprehension

Logic

Luck

Materials Science

Materials Technology

Nature

Response

Scanning practice

Science

Terrain Orientation

I am still searching for the files I used to build the site with.
Once I find these - I'll be able to rebuild the pages with the correct information.

Note: the data I used for mining has been gifted to me rather than gained though actual mining.

Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton · « **Reply #26 on:** May 18, 2013, 10:35:36 pm »

The way I think about the Metal/Mineral Science skills, it makes sense that you'd get those skills while refining stones and not while using scanners. When you scan for and find metals/minerals, you learn nothing new about the resources themselves other than their locations and amounts. But when you refine them you are concentrating them from raw rock to condensed and compressed ingots, so you learn a lot more about their physical and chemical makeup in the process.

Thus, you get Metal Science skills for refining metals but not for scanning for them. And you get Mineral Science skills for refining minerals but not for scanning for them. The extractors do the actual work of digging them out of the ground and physically interacting with the buried stone, so if there were skills in using them (which may be why they suddenly stop working from time to time) we'd get Metal/Mineral Science skills for activating and detaching them (along with a slew of others, I imagine).

Maybe they were in the process of introducing extractor skills when this whole financing fiasco hit?

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