AfterWorld Survival Forum

1.    Without doubt the transfer of the entire functionality of the AW Alpha World in AW Survival is our top priority. We are extremely interested in such transfer, because we understand: no features – no players – no money for us. Therefore, this work is carried out, despite the Bank`s critical lack of time.
2.    About RCE. Am I right, some of our players just want to get EU clone instead AWS? Then why not just continue to play EU? Why you need AWS if  there is such a great game EU with full RCE? And do you really think that EU is really a massive game? The truth about EU is that 90% of new players lose money and quit after a month or two. Only a small part (most experienced) players earn money from the game, but MA takes money from all. So, do you really want another casino? Are you all gamblers or traders?
Ok, it was just emotional digression.
Now, let`s talk more constructive.
If we speak about the possibility of earnings in the game, I can reassure you that this opportunity will be in AWS. There are several solutions how to get it, we will think about it and choose. But we want to avoid gambling in AWS. Our players must earn money by playing the game but not by playing roulette or by only staying around auction and trading. I like EVE-online game model. People earn big money in EVE by playing game, and this game is really massive. It doesn`t mean we are ready to make second EVE, it`s just a good example of the game with the ability to earn money but without gambling.
AWS will never be a EU or EVE or another game clone. Just let us finish all we planned and you will understand that EU is not the only  «dream game» with the ability to earn.
3.    About PvP. AWS is survival game. Why you are ready to risk with your money every time you are going to mine, craft or hunt in EU, but don`t want to risk with your stuff during your adventure around AfterWorld? For me it`s really strange. Seems you just want to stay ingame and earn profit without any risk  . But you understand that it is impossible?
Of course, there will be safe locations and some types PVP with different degree of danger. But AfterWorld is dangerous world and you must risk to get something valuable.
We`ll try to rebalance PvP to get everyone in almost equal conditions.
And one more thing. Did you ever see computer bot in lootable PVP in any game? I didn`t. PVP defends the game and the fair players from «bot drivers». We want only live players here.
I apologise for my bad english again, I hope you understand me. And thank you all who takes part in this discussion.

2.    About RCE. Am I right, some of our players just want to get EU clone instead AWS? Then why not just continue to play EU? Why you need AWS if  there is such a great game EU with full RCE? And do you really think that EU is really a massive game? The truth about EU is that 90% of new players lose money and quit after a month or two. Only a small part (most experienced) players earn money from the game, but MA takes money from all. So, do you really want another casino? Are you all gamblers or traders?

Please inform yourself ... RCE isn't about gambling or
win the jackpot. RCE is about Deposit and Withdraw.



Greetings - Zwarky

1.    Without doubt the transfer of the entire functionality of the AW Alpha World in AW Survival is our top priority. We are extremely interested in such transfer, because we understand: no features – no players – no money for us. Therefore, this work is carried out, despite the Bank`s critical lack of time.
2.    About RCE. Am I right, some of our players just want to get EU clone instead AWS? Then why not just continue to play EU? Why you need AWS if  there is such a great game EU with full RCE? And do you really think that EU is really a massive game? The truth about EU is that 90% of new players lose money and quit after a month or two. Only a small part (most experienced) players earn money from the game, but MA takes money from all. So, do you really want another casino? Are you all gamblers or traders?
Ok, it was just emotional digression.
Now, let`s talk more constructive.
If we speak about the possibility of earnings in the game, I can reassure you that this opportunity will be in AWS. There are several solutions how to get it, we will think about it and choose. But we want to avoid gambling in AWS. Our players must earn money by playing the game but not by playing roulette or by only staying around auction and trading. I like EVE-online game model. People earn big money in EVE by playing game, and this game is really massive. It doesn`t mean we are ready to make second EVE, it`s just a good example of the game with the ability to earn money but without gambling.
AWS will never be a EU or EVE or another game clone. Just let us finish all we planned and you will understand that EU is not the only  «dream game» with the ability to earn.
3.    About PvP. AWS is survival game. Why you are ready to risk with your money every time you are going to mine, craft or hunt in EU, but don`t want to risk with your stuff during your adventure around AfterWorld? For me it`s really strange. Seems you just want to stay ingame and earn profit without any risk  . But you understand that it is impossible?
Of course, there will be safe locations and some types PVP with different degree of danger. But AfterWorld is dangerous world and you must risk to get something valuable.
We`ll try to rebalance PvP to get everyone in almost equal conditions.
And one more thing. Did you ever see computer bot in lootable PVP in any game? I didn`t. PVP defends the game and the fair players from «bot drivers». We want only live players here.
I apologise for my bad english again, I hope you understand me. And thank you all who takes part in this discussion.

Point #1

Many thanks for confirming this.

Point #2

It is true that EU is a gambling game. How else could it afford to allow players to withdraw money that exceed their $$$ contributions to game; and still make the game developers a huge profit. EU is a game where the majority of other players lose money  - just like in a casino  -the house always takes the majority of the money off many players and entice others by giving random jackpots.

My personal opinion is that AfterWorld was carefully designed not to allow the EU type of game play. I fully support Dedicated Logic in their pursuit of a fair game where monetary greed is not the #1 consideration. Those sort of games are all too common.

Point #3 (part 1)

In the game I spend my time ... my free time ... my valuable limited free time.
It is this valuable free time that I risk when spending 100's of hours skilling up on an avoid; or hunting; or crafting.
I do not spend this valuable free time so I can be robbed of items I spent 100's of hours (or 100's of dollars) acquiring.
If I wanted to be robbed - I can walk around my RL streets wearing expensive jewelry and a 'rob me' sign stuck on my backside.

However, if you really mean that you think you can rebalance the PVP so that I will have a reasonable chance of against any player (or group of players) then this might be acceptable. Otherwise, all that you are doing is making it easy for buy-to-win players to make money in a way that EU would drool over.

Point #3 (part 2)

The assumption I am making is that PVP areas have nothing that other players need to advance. PVP areas are a place you transition though with the risk of being robbed by bandits. That sort of zone I am uncomfortable with - however I probably can live with it.

Certain skills require certain mobs and also need 100's of hours skilling - if you place these any of these mobs in a PVP area, the bandits will camp there. Players will need 1000's of frustrating hours of lost time and many hundreds of stolen items to reach a level where they can advance.
This would be intolerable to most players as not many players will have the endurance to suffer that much indignity.

1.    Without doubt the transfer of the entire functionality of the AW Alpha World in AW Survival is our top priority. We are extremely interested in such transfer, because we understand: no features – no players – no money for us. Therefore, this work is carried out, despite the Bank`s critical lack of time.


2.    About RCE. Am I right, some of our players just want to get EU clone instead AWS? Then why not just continue to play EU? Why you need AWS if  there is such a great game EU with full RCE? And do you really think that EU is really a massive game? The truth about EU is that 90% of new players lose money and quit after a month or two. Only a small part (most experienced) players earn money from the game, but MA takes money from all. So, do you really want another casino? Are you all gamblers or traders?
Ok, it was just emotional digression.
Now, let`s talk more constructive.
If we speak about the possibility of earnings in the game, I can reassure you that this opportunity will be in AWS. There are several solutions how to get it, we will think about it and choose. But we want to avoid gambling in AWS. Our players must earn money by playing the game but not by playing roulette or by only staying around auction and trading. I like EVE-online game model. People earn big money in EVE by playing game, and this game is really massive. It doesn`t mean we are ready to make second EVE, it`s just a good example of the game with the ability to earn money but without gambling.
AWS will never be a EU or EVE or another game clone. Just let us finish all we planned and you will understand that EU is not the only  «dream game» with the ability to earn.
3.    About PvP. AWS is survival game. Why you are ready to risk with your money every time you are going to mine, craft or hunt in EU, but don`t want to risk with your stuff during your adventure around AfterWorld? For me it`s really strange. Seems you just want to stay ingame and earn profit without any risk  . But you understand that it is impossible?
Of course, there will be safe locations and some types PVP with different degree of danger. But AfterWorld is dangerous world and you must risk to get something valuable.
We`ll try to rebalance PvP to get everyone in almost equal conditions.
And one more thing. Did you ever see computer bot in lootable PVP in any game? I didn`t. PVP defends the game and the fair players from «bot drivers». We want only live players here.
I apologise for my bad english again, I hope you understand me. And thank you all who takes part in this discussion.

Hello from myself too.
I have been carefully reading ALL the discussions before the "crysis" appeared.


Firstly, what I have seen so far and it is my opinion also is that players still stay for mainly one reason.
The possibility of this game to incorporate RCE functionality. and ofc I am not refering to EU type of management the ingame economy, but something different that AWA was providing us.
Free economy! I believe that many players will want to participate on the decisions of how AWS will exploit the term RCE and provide with nice ideas that will make everyone happy, and most important for DL to keep up with AWS.
You must also understand that no player would invest >?Keuros for a game!!! with 1K euros you can play the best games existing in market for years (WoW is 13euros/month)!!! So the size of donations was mainly based on the initial statement of DL that AWA would be an RCE game! So no RCE functionality, old players leave the game!
If you take the marketing perspective there are so many games under development at this moment, based all on RCE functionality, that will turn the on-line entertainment to something different.


Second, the so well discussed PvP functionality, is something that initially was not important for AWA. AWA was mainly interesting for ppl, for the content it provided and in my opinion the very advanced crafting! Although it makes it very time consuming to craft something @ high lvl, it made it very interesting interesting at the same time!
Noone was interested in PvP, except the LoD where ppl had something to gain from PvP, and I am not talking about personal items. It was a challenge to fight for noobots and gain some from that.


To finalize, I think that all the above have been extensively discussed in this forums and that players request a step backwards that will bring them closer to what they were offered by AWA.


I am looking forward on the development of AWS and the future it is preparing for its players!


Best regards,


Sifis

1.    Without doubt the transfer of the entire functionality of the AW Alpha World in AW Survival is our top priority. We are extremely interested in such transfer, because we understand: no features – no players – no money for us. Therefore, this work is carried out, despite the Bank`s critical lack of time.
2.    About RCE. Am I right, some of our players just want to get EU clone instead AWS? Then why not just continue to play EU? Why you need AWS if  there is such a great game EU with full RCE? And do you really think that EU is really a massive game? The truth about EU is that 90% of new players lose money and quit after a month or two. Only a small part (most experienced) players earn money from the game, but MA takes money from all. So, do you really want another casino? Are you all gamblers or traders?
Ok, it was just emotional digression.
Now, let`s talk more constructive.
If we speak about the possibility of earnings in the game, I can reassure you that this opportunity will be in AWS. There are several solutions how to get it, we will think about it and choose. But we want to avoid gambling in AWS. Our players must earn money by playing the game but not by playing roulette or by only staying around auction and trading. I like EVE-online game model. People earn big money in EVE by playing game, and this game is really massive. It doesn`t mean we are ready to make second EVE, it`s just a good example of the game with the ability to earn money but without gambling.
AWS will never be a EU or EVE or another game clone. Just let us finish all we planned and you will understand that EU is not the only  «dream game» with the ability to earn.
3.    About PvP. AWS is survival game. Why you are ready to risk with your money every time you are going to mine, craft or hunt in EU, but don`t want to risk with your stuff during your adventure around AfterWorld? For me it`s really strange. Seems you just want to stay ingame and earn profit without any risk  . But you understand that it is impossible?
Of course, there will be safe locations and some types PVP with different degree of danger. But AfterWorld is dangerous world and you must risk to get something valuable.
We`ll try to rebalance PvP to get everyone in almost equal conditions.
And one more thing. Did you ever see computer bot in lootable PVP in any game? I didn`t. PVP defends the game and the fair players from «bot drivers». We want only live players here.
I apologise for my bad english again, I hope you understand me. And thank you all who takes part in this discussion.

     1)  Thanks so much.  That is very reassuring.

     2)  There is, unfortunately, some people who like the gambling aspects of EU.  But EU is still there for them.  RCE, as others have stated, is simply Real Cash Economy.  The ability to deposit and withdraw within the game system.  This gains can be gained from skill farming, trading resources, looting through PVP.  It doesn't need to be a form of casino where the house takes most of everyone's money to pay out to the chosen few.

     3)  As long as the various PVP areas are well defined, and no one is forced into areas where they have to risk more than they choose.  I see no problem.  I say that even though I personally am no fan of PVP.

     Thanks for keeping us informed and responding to our questions and concerns.  That will keep us here and bring many back.

     I have a suggestion.  There are probably some players who no longer check the forums.  If you could update the main website, and possibly send a mass e-mail to the player base, it would help to bring back even more players.
 

Key things AWS needs.

1. Bring the game back to fully functional like it was in AWA with all its features/mechanics

2. Stop the secretcy about the future of the game, answer the communities questions, e.g what financial game model are you using give a description answer if there will be a withdrawal system in place. (you need to do this to bring your playerbase back)

3. Get rid of donations and implement depositsts

4. give something back to your community e.g hoffs/globals it makes you look less greedy and keeps people depositing to play.

4. designate 3 pvp areas lvl 1,2,3 theres no need for more levels.

5. bring back noobots

6. make more tutorials for new players/new citizens

7. implement a quest/ task system for endless loot everyone has and give a reward.

8. advertise, promote the game, do competitions.

9. create an ingame report abuse system where you click 1 key and it gives a dialogue box for the person to report this can go hand in hand with a bug report system e.g players stuck needing moved.

10. give more information on who the dev team is there goals, Whos doing what like let them introduce themselves as staff on here.

11. bring back ingame meet and greets and community hunts with devs helping newbies again.. (Shade & Co were the best at that)

12. Answer support cases make deposits come through automatically.

13. fix bugs and lags e.g the amount of trees in the swamp lags it as well as space mobs out and actually make it look like there not dumped there.

lastly leave avatars appearences till aws is back fully functional people leave when they join because the tutorial sucks and theres no help for newbs, focus on new hks armours clothes weapons tools etc let people craft up better.

Not sorry to say this but prioritise and communicate/ fix what needs fixing then players will come back.

I agree with what others said!

Serenity's list of <<what to do things>> is very nice ( I think she summarized some of the most important things to do!)

In my post about RCE I was explaining what Zwarky mentioned: I don't want an EU model! I just want an opportunity of withdrawing!

And I would like to add a little few thing: If you could had cars!

Your idea of giving car after an instance in a raider area could be funny too but you can make the possibility for players to craft it ( lot of money for you and lot of fun for us )

This isn't that hard to code (you already put car in afterworld a long long time ago!), just bring some types of vehicles (even truck for people who wants to become transport pro!, cars for players to get throug these endless area!)

Approximatly ten types of cars/trucks could be enough for players to play hundreds of hours ( time to get the craft plans, to get the items needed to craft the cars and finally craft and use/sell it!)

Cars aren't a priority but it remains a good way of launching again the player interest for game!
You could fix it like an moderate priority

What do you think about it community?

(sorry for my english! I hope everybody understand my ideas!)

I will agree with crafting vehicles and a very light version of getting one through an instance.