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Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on November 06, 2013, 12:14:43 am

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The hypothetical Citizen, you are proposing in https://my.afterworld.deelogic.net/survival/ideas-and-features-discussion/cost-of-death/msg8886/#msg8886 is a fallacy. The player would have spend a significant amount of their game play being blissfully killed, ignoring the 100 messages that pop up in the process, warning them that they are consuming clones ... with the message becoming more alarming as the player approaches zero clones.

YES, try to think how new user play for this game...
With this messages he will leave from game more faster as you think...

I am not disagreeing that the clone rule has it's drawbacks.
The issue was raised during testing with Dedicated Logic.
Dedicated Logic indicated that clones are now a feature that players must live with.


Once a player realizes how easy it is to get clones hopefully most of the noise will go away.
Besides, the sort of players that do not want to donate, and are put off by the time effort required for clones, also are likely to leave once they realize it'll take them at least 50 hours picking to gain citizenship (no idea what they will think of the many 100's of hours skilling required to actually survive beyond new citizen areas).

I am not disagreeing that the clone rule has it's drawbacks.
The issue was raised during testing with Dedicated Logic.
Dedicated Logic indicated that clones are now a feature that players must live with.

I don't understand what u mean about "Dedicates Logic" with "clone feature". Just simple "clone feature" is LIFE COUNTER from past ZX Spectum games, where u can get extra life from game bonus, LOL
 

Once a player realizes how easy it is to get clones hopefully most of the noise will go away.
Besides, the sort of players that do not want to donate, and are put off by the time effort required for clones, also are likely to leave once they realize it'll take them at least 50 hours picking to gain citizenship (no idea what they will think of the many 100's of hours skilling required to actually survive beyond new citizen areas).

is this marketing plan of game development?

Just simple "clone feature" is LIFE COUNTER from past ZX Spectum games, where u can get extra life from game bonus, LOL

The clone system hardly makes AWS a glorified Super Mario Brothers. Yes it's different than most other MMO/persistent universe games since most let you die an unlimited number of times, but most of them have some kind of penalty when you die. Even if you have to do a corpse run, you still have to spend your time and energy getting back what you lost. In AWS you revive as a bot and if you have a clone available you immediately have everything back, without even losing any skill, loot, or AWD. If you run out of clones and die you didn't plan well enough, but you can still ask for the donation/loan of more clones from friends and strangers. They're so cheap that I doubt it will be hard to find someone willing to give at least one.

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Once a player realizes how easy it is to get clones hopefully most of the noise will go away.
Besides, the sort of players that do not want to donate, and are put off by the time effort required for clones, also are likely to leave once they realize it'll take them at least 50 hours picking to gain citizenship (no idea what they will think of the many 100's of hours skilling required to actually survive beyond new citizen areas).

is this marketing plan of game development?

The marketing plan is that it's a complex game that tries to be realistic while also being fun. Like Jane said, if someone finds AWS too hard to play because of clones, that person isn't right for AWS. Chances are good that they won't like AWS enough to stay even without the clone system.

Everyone has a right to say whatever they want, really. I think for the most part everyone is trying their best to be nice and productive with their posts.
Honestly i haven't really thought about how lucky we are to have (just the clones) for penalty. Imagine if death meant you lost the items on you, or you lost a percentage of skills each death (i've played other games where it is both of these). here its just a clone + the time it takes to travel again to where you were. Not so bad compared to how bad it could be.

Quote from: Jarod "Brickwit" McBrickerton on November 06, 2013, 05:10:28 am

Quote from: Vlad "Aquilla" NightStalker on November 06, 2013, 04:24:04 am

Just simple "clone feature" is LIFE COUNTER from past ZX Spectum games, where u can get extra life from game bonus, LOL

The clone system hardly makes AWS a glorified Super Mario Brothers. Yes it's different than most other MMO/persistent universe games since most let you die an unlimited number of times, but most of them have some kind of penalty when you die. Even if you have to do a corpse run, you still have to spend your time and energy getting back what you lost. In AWS you revive as a bot and if you have a clone available you immediately have everything back, without even losing any skill, loot, or AWD. If you run out of clones and die you didn't plan well enough, but you can still ask for the donation/loan of more clones from friends and strangers. They're so cheap that I doubt it will be hard to find someone willing to give at least one.

LOL..
IF I die from hunting action i lose loot if i don't found the wounded mob, and i need to additional healing, HK decay have cost, and founded mob get some heath till i found him, so i need waste more ammo, weapon decay, armor decay to kill him, so your post wrong, death in AWS have price without "life counter".
I become thinking that I talk not with fun gamers just religion follovers, lol

Do you know of any online game that isn't this way? You make it sound like AWS is the only game that does this.

IF I die from hunting action i lose loot if i don't found the wounded mob, and i need to additional healing, HK decay have cost, and founded mob get some heath till i found him, so i need waste more ammo, weapon decay, armor decay to kill him

LOL
In the Ole days (AWA) - if you die, you would still have all of the costs stated.
This looks to be yet another of your Fallacies.
LOL.

Quote from: Vlad "Aquilla" NightStalker on November 07, 2013, 05:18:16 am

IF I die from hunting action i lose loot if i don't found the wounded mob, and i need to additional healing, HK decay have cost, and founded mob get some heath till i found him, so i need waste more ammo, weapon decay, armor decay to kill him

LOL
In the Ole days (AWA) - if you die, you would still have all of the costs stated.
This looks to be yet another of your Fallacies.
LOL.

If you see Fallacies this it, you are just blinded like religion sekta follower. LOL

Quote from: Event "Janе" Horizon on November 07, 2013, 05:59:58 am

Quote from: Vlad "Aquilla" NightStalker on November 07, 2013, 05:18:16 am

IF I die from hunting action i lose loot if i don't found the wounded mob, and i need to additional healing, HK decay have cost, and founded mob get some heath till i found him, so i need waste more ammo, weapon decay, armor decay to kill him

LOL
In the Ole days (AWA) - if you die, you would still have all of the costs stated.
This looks to be yet another of your Fallacies.
LOL.

If you see Fallacies this it, you are just blinded like religion sekta follower. LOL

LOL
That is a Ad hominem fallacy
You are working through the fallacy list LOL
What a way to convince people of your point (you do have a point of view backed up by something factual right?) LOL
You could at least use a Fallacies that wasn't so obvious.
LOL